"I've got to find that fire that defined me once so well." -GOOD RIDDANCE

Wednesday, November 29, 2006

it's flaring up again...

i'm not sure if i should even share this...
but i gotta be cynical with somebody, and it might as well be the internet.

RADIO SPOOF DRAWS SUPPORT FOR NAZI-LIKE TREATMENT OF U.S. MUSLIMS - TOP
CAIR says callers' reaction is a 'wake-up call' on Anti-Muslim bigotry

(WASHINGTON, D.C., 11/27/06) - A parody of anti-Muslim bigotry on a Washington, D.C., radio station drew support for treating American Muslims in a manner similar to how the Jewish community was targeted in Nazi Germany.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) said today that the reaction to the parody is a "wake-up call" for religious and political leaders who remain silent on the issue of growing Islamophobia in America.

In his 630 WMAL program on Sunday, November 26, talk show host Jerry Klein seemed to advocate a government program to force all Muslims to wear "identifying markers." He stated: "I'm thinking either it should be an arm band, a crescent moon arm band, or it should be a crescent moon tattoo." (4:00) Klein said: "If it means that we have to round them up and do a tattoo in a place where everybody knows where to find it, then that's what we'll have to do." (11:38)

[The program focused on public reaction to the removal of six Imams, or Islamic religious leaders, from a US Airways flight in Minnesota last week.]

Some callers to the program rejected discriminatory treatment of Muslims, but others supported Klein's statements and even suggested that even more severe measures be taken against American Muslims. "Richard" in Gaithersburg, Md., said: "Not only do you tattoo them in the middle of their foreheads; you round them up and then ship them out of this country, period." (15:58)

"Heath" in Upper Marlboro, Md., said: "I don't think you go far enough. . .you have to set up encampments like they did during World War II like with the Japanese and Germans." (23:50)

Later in the program, Klein revealed that his call for discriminatory actions against Muslims was "baloney." Klein said: "I can't believe any of you, any of you, are sick enough to have agreed for one second with anything that I have said in the last half hour." (25:15)

To listen to the entire program, go to:
http://wmal.com/showdj.asp?DJID=19978# (Scroll to the bottom of the page for streaming audio.)
http://rope.wmal.com/aud_archive/jk061126.mp3 (download)



i would like to believe that this is not the view held by most people. it makes me sick to my stomach that people today think like this. something inside me dies when i hear that kind of hatred.

while i know this has nothing directly to do with churches or christians, it got me thinking about our churches and how we represent Christ, not only to muslims, but also to other minority groups in our north american society. how do we get around these attitudes? these misconceptions about other cultures and people? timothy mcveigh was responsible for the oklahoma city bombings, but you don't see calls to round up middle aged white men for concentration camps. as christians in this kind of world, how do we deal with this? how do we look past skin color, class lines, etc... and tear down these barriers? when was the last time you walked into a church that had more than 95% white people attending? or 95% middle class or rich folk attending? if you have, i'm proud of you. but if i'm being honest, i haven't. why do we group together like this? why do the rich stay in the suburbs while the poor stay hungry in the ghetto? why can't we have churches filled with a variety of skin colors; natives, whites, hispanics, black, rich, poor, etc... as opposed to our own separate churches for each? do you guys think it's fine that things are this way? or do you think, like me, we have so isolated ourselves that there is more racism and fear of what's different than us going on than we are willing to admit?

i know i just asked 100 questions, but i would love to hear any ideas, or response, that anyone might have. i love the church, and i by no means want to be the accuser. i am also the accused. am i exaggerating? is there less of this going on than i think? or is there more than i know? please, let's talk.

32 Comments:

  • At 7:52 PM , Blogger chelsea rae said...

    ya i saw that on cnn last night...i could not believe what these guys were saying (they only showed 2 mens reactions). at first i could not believe what the announcer was doing, but at the end i was even more in awe and so amazed that he had done that. it was cool...took me awhile to appreciate it, but then i was so full of anger at those callers..."fence them all in a confined area"...what the crap, honestly, how does an individual come to such a warped view of another race/cultural/etc...it's not acceptable in any frickin way and it pisses me off that this is where we still are today...today in the land that has seen such amazing leaders like martin luther king jr, ghandi and many more. have their words done anything? got into anyones head? convicted anyone? we have to be the ones to make this change...WE have to step up and get off our lazy asses and fix this problem that is still an incredibly huge issue in our world. we have to get the hell out of our white picket fenced heads and take a stand, learn about the issues and what we can do about it. why are we so frickin lazy?!?!?! why do i prefer to sit in my room and procrastinate when i could invest my time into seeing what my community is doing about this, or what i can do about this.

    when i come home just slap me in the face with a dead fish and tell me to...well...whatever you want but i think i need the slap in the face is all i am trying to say.

     
  • At 12:11 AM , Blogger dave said...

    did she just say ghandi is from america?
    oh well..


    listen blair, these are nice thoughts and all, but lets get back to focusing on heaven and our salvation.

    thing are only going to get worse, and then comes the beast, who i think comes from romania or turkmenistan or saskatoon, and then he gets a job at the UN, because we know what an evil joint that is, and then he becomes the head of the UN, and then the UN buys the moon, and then um... paints it with blood...? and then.. um.. i'm a journalist... and i'm flying on plane... and you're the pilot... and suddenly everyone's gone but us and the stewardess and some other shlups, and then i think she dates me, and then um.. 666 fits in there somewhere...

    anyways i'm just saying there's bigger fish to convert... i mean fry... i mean rapture.



    how bout a quick vote....all in favor of bigotry say 'aye!'. all opposed, say 'nay'. that would be better than the current situation, where all in favor say 'die!' and all opposed say....nothing.

     
  • At 7:22 AM , Blogger chelsea rae said...

    that's not what i meant poop face

     
  • At 8:23 AM , Blogger xblairx said...

    ha, i have to do a dispensationalist premillenialism presentation next wednesday. maybe you should come dave and do a reenactment of nicolae brainwashing the un delegates...i'm gonna pull lahyaye quotes out and eat them for breakfast. jk.

    i love your passion, chelsea. why do all of you guys have to not be in regina anymore?

     
  • At 11:07 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I can't believe you guys are admitting to reading the left behind series...

     
  • At 12:14 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Chels,

    I hope when you said asses you meant "asses" in the biblical sense.

    If not, I'll pray.

    John

    P.S. Love your passion. Yeh i do.

     
  • At 12:20 PM , Blogger chelsey said...

    in my experience, it is true that the majority of the people in the churches that i have gone to are of the same race and the majority are also in the same social class. i have been wondering why? and i've been wondering if more people are concerned about the issues of poverty and hatred and racism but they just aren't saying about it, because it's starting to become an issue for me but i don't really hear too many others talking about it. some are. i don't mean to overgeneralize and group all people into one section. but i'm getting the impression that a lot of us are feeling like things are they way they are and we should just do what we're "passionate" about or what "called" to do. i'm getting the feeling that my actions are showing more about what i believe that what i say i believe and i want to change that. Feelings are great liars you know. that's what eugene peterson says. and it's true. just because i don't feel like helping doesn't mean that i shouldn't help. i think true servanthood shows when you serve whether its your passion or not. you serve because there is a need.

    does this make any sense? it does to me.

     
  • At 3:13 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    since she mentioned Mr. Peterson, rather then continuing down the road of lahaye... I might be repeating myself, but for me the real issue is not what americans think of muslims or whether our churches are the same color, we could talk about those things but really they don't apply for my life. What does apply is how I treat the people that I walk into that building on Range Lake Road with every Sunday - and how I treat those that walk into the church building down on 50 avenue, and the lady I'm sitting beside at work - how do I treat them after I've hurt them, after they've hurt me through the good and bad of life - do I exclude new people or embrace them - sometimes that includes Muslims or people with a different color skin than mine - but it always includes people who are different than me, who hold different beliefs than me and who could hurt me in a ton of different ways. on the church thing, sometimes it just makes more sense to meet together with people like us, I don't speak Spanish and therefore wouldn't meet regularly with a bunch of people who are comfortable with that language - there's also a practicality just as far as numbers to meeting in different places and there's also a different gifts to different people area to consider (also a good excuse sometimes) - but I've been welcomed in a few spanish churches, and some wacky tribal churches and could walk into just about every gathering in YK and feel welcomed as well I think. I can't speak for southern USA, but I don't worry about it to much to be honest. It doesn't surprise me anymore that there are bigotted, narrowminded racist people in the world anymore I guess. I still surprise myself though. Sometimes I think we just love talking about the big bad world out there... even as we all fight to make it apply in the normal.

    I guess that's basically what chels was saying, but since we're rambling...

     
  • At 7:13 PM , Blogger xblairx said...

    i appreciate that chels. and it's cool to hear your response tim. and i guess that whole muslim radio show wasn't really the point of this post, even though it took up the majority if it. maybe it is just practical, but the thing i struggle with is that we don't do it because it makes sense, we do it because it's easier. and you are right, it certainly goes beyond just skin color.

    i don't love talking about the big bad world. i wish i could talk about the big beautiful world. the reason i talk about these negative things is that i believe there is the ability to change this big bad world into something more beautiful. does that make sense? as christians, i think we have that responsibility.

     
  • At 7:14 PM , Blogger xblairx said...

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  • At 7:15 PM , Blogger xblairx said...

    any pastors have a comment? i know your out there!

     
  • At 8:53 PM , Blogger dave said...

    listen john... or should i say anonymous... or should i say johnonymous...

    not EVERYONE who's name is chelsea or chelsey shortens it to "chels", okay???? man... she hates that and she'll hit you for it, trust me. just drop the S, that's all she asks. i think because then it rhymes with hell, and she thinks that's funny, because she laughs in the face of hell.

    or something like that??

    as far as i know, chelsey roberts is still ok to call chels.

    back on topic--
    most sundays on tour we do a concert in the morning and one in the evening. i've seen it happen before where one audience was 100% white and the other was 0%. its weird. a pastor (SORRY! preacher!! i take it back!!!) at one "caucasianally enhanced" church shared a great word with his church after the concert one sunday morning. he told them all to look around and then he said 'most of you probably picture a scene somewhat like this when you think of heaven... but guess what... the choir this morning gave us a great reminder than in the Church today, and in heaven tomorrow, middle-class white folks are by far in the minority.' he reminded them that it really didn't matter, and to go ahead and take a minute to smash and replace their ethnocentric views on the kingdom. my words there, not his. then we sang a hymn that i hadn't heard before (that's already an accomplishment) that was chalk-full of globally-minded lyrics and quite subversive Jesus talk. it was great.

    i won't pretend there's an easy solution--i know its not as simple as "ok, this white church, and this black church, plus one hispanic, one korean, and one local Zulu-speaking church can all unite, starting next monday....just like the 5 power rangers do after they morph... when they become that one huuuge mega guy... and the churches will be even more destructive, i mean productive......." not so easy, right... complicated issues, wounds still unhealed, uneasy feelings all arond...

    still, there must be a very slow and awkward road though which leads in the right direction... and there is no way around the little village of honesty.

     
  • At 6:50 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I agree Blair - the world can use more beauty wherever and whenever. Dave this must be interesting from your perspective right now - touring the country with bunch of kids from Africa and probably seeing every colour and type of church possible.

     
  • At 7:49 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Blair.

    I see your up to 13 comments now.

    Just because I usually get 22+ doesn't mean you have to as well.

    Stop being so stinkin competitive.

    John

     
  • At 7:50 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Blair.

    I see your up to 14 comments now.

    Just because I usually get 22+ doesn't mean you have to as well.

    Stop being so stinkin competitive.

    John

     
  • At 7:51 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Blair.

    I see your up to 15 comments now.

    Just because I usually get 22+ doesn't mean you have to as well.

    Stop being so stinkin competitive.

    John

     
  • At 7:51 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Blair.

    I see your up to 16 comments now.

    Just because I usually get 22+ doesn't mean you have to as well.

    Stop being so stinkin competitive.

    John

     
  • At 7:51 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Blair.

    I see your up to 17 comments now.

    Just because I usually get 22+ doesn't mean you have to as well.

    Stop being so stinkin competitive.

    John

     
  • At 7:51 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Blair.

    I see your up to 18 comments now.

    Just because I usually get 22+ doesn't mean you have to as well.

    Stop being so stinkin competitive.

    John

     
  • At 7:51 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Blair.

    I see your up to 19 comments now.

    Just because I usually get 22+ doesn't mean you have to as well.

    Stop being so stinkin competitive.

    John

     
  • At 7:52 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Blair.

    I see your up to 20 comments now.

    Just because I usually get 22+ doesn't mean you have to as well.

    Stop being so stinkin competitive.

    John

     
  • At 7:52 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Blair.

    I see your up to 21 comments now.

    Just because I usually get 22+ doesn't mean you have to as well.

    Stop being so stinkin competitive.

    John

     
  • At 7:52 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Blair.

    I see your up to 22 comments now.

    Just because I usually get 22+ doesn't mean you have to as well.

    Stop being so stinkin competitive.

    John

     
  • At 7:53 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Fine. You're officially better then me. Hope it was worth it.

    Bye forever.

    John

     
  • At 9:42 AM , Blogger xblairx said...

    yes, i'm finally better than john!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     
  • At 10:01 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Ha Ha, he fell for it. "He fell for it Ang."

    Those posts were all from me so your NOT better. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

    Loooooooser

    John, but you can call me winner for short.

     
  • At 10:47 AM , Blogger chelsey said...

    i see john has some time on his hands.

    and yes it's okay to call me chels. but another gentle reminder, my name is spelled with a y. dave.

     
  • At 10:56 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Copy and paste makes long things seem short.

    John

     
  • At 11:13 PM , Blogger dave said...

    turns out its CHELSEY who needs the reminder, and needs to look up and see that she's not the only person commenting here who's name starts with CHE!

    when i was talking about you, roberts, i spelled it with a WHY. chelsewhy.

     
  • At 2:08 PM , Blogger chelsey said...

    this time you did it right dave, but last time i mentioned it, you purposely spelled in wrong, i assume with the intention of annoying me. that's why i pointed you out. dave. pointpoint. (i'm still pointing).

     
  • At 11:05 AM , Blogger xblairx said...

    john, i'm creeping up on your record for real now. better watch out. i'm coming for you.

     
  • At 6:31 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    HI BLAIR... I love you and i miss you. I honestly couldnt believe what i saw when i read that. Who could honestly say that without even remotely feeling any sorta guilt. Like really apparently these people have only had muslims who have ever done anything wrong to them really. If your going to put all the muslims in camps.. then why wouldnt you put every single person in a camp who has ever done anything wrong to you. These people are horrible.! I personally want their numbers so that i can call all of them and tell them to suck it up and get over themselves because a persons colour doesnt decide their character or what type of person they are. So officially they should shove it.. haha. I miss you lots! and i love reading your blogs

     

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